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From the Original Leader:

The British police are subverting the Courts

The police are subverting the Courts by Routinely abusing the Bail system to imprison innocent people.

After a charge is made in this country (England/Britain/UK), a person is bound over on Bail before their trial. This bail contains conditions, designed to stop that person from interfering with the case. This seems fair enough, as it looks.

This system is being Abused.

The police are in charge of setting Conditions of Bail, and, in some cases, the charge itself. For example, the police could charge a person with being alive, with bail conditions of not breathing. There might then be a four month wait before the case gets throw out by a Court.

From FreeHapp: The Story

Description:
Subpage of Highlighting police corruption; the story of what happened to me (and what is happening to others)

Keywords:
'police Corruption',Corruption,'Wiltshire constabulary','Rodney King','Civil Liberty','Civil Liberties','Civil Rights', Freedom,Freedoms,Liberty,Justice,Disestablishmentarinism, efficiency,'incarceration without trial',incarceration

What happened to me....
... Is happening to Others

What happened to me (Robin H.)....

(This is the most recent bit, quickly added after my Release:)

I was incarcerated without trial in an open prison in Fareham near Portsmouth, Hampshire (England), called Dickson House. Dickson House is a Bail Hostel, a misleading term I had never encountered before going there. I was there from 4th October to 6th December 2001AD.

The Wilts police faked all kinds of Charges against me, I openly broke my unkeepable-anyway Bail Conditions. You read of people going to prison for their beliefs, but you never think it'll happen to you, particularly relating to "I believe I'll nip down the Pub" [only part of it].

They initially said "we don't want this to go to Court [Trial] because we don't want you to get a criminal record", whereas what they actually meant was "we don't want this to go to Court because we don't have any evidence".

When the Case finally got to the Pre-Trail Review (review review review review....) stage, the police (who previously stated they do not do "deals",) did a deal with me, in that they would drop the Charges if I stopped pushing them into Court.

I was pushing them into Court partly because they had gone too far this time, but mainly to highlight their corrupt practices in a public arena. However, the police managed to wriggle out of this, in that if the Case came to Court, they realised they would only have to state the Case in hand, and could ignore the why's and wherefore's of the manner in which the Case was caused. It also emerged that they would then have the opportunity to cause much hassle to those of my friends that were connected to the Case.

In the event, I agreed to a Binding Over [Court] Session, and they forgot to drop the Charges, which were annulled by the Magistrates instead; effectively the Case was thrown out because the Charges were trivial and meaningless.

Interestingly, they leak as well. "They're afraid of me" now, apparently. (Probably because I called their bluff on the legal action.)

There was nothing signed with the "deal", which means of course further legal action [from me] may result, as well as publicity, like, in part, this site.

This Case in question, relates to allegations of Harassment, police & CPS Ref. No. 54CD0755001.
Chippenham Magistrates Court Case No. 3309766.
It was open March-December 2001AD.

"They Can't Do That"

It's no good saying that/saying that.......

"The police don't take [out] Civil Actions."

Wootton Bassett police (Chippenham Division of Wiltshire constabulary) took out a Civil Action against me, on a charge of Harassment, which they admitted during recorded Interview was their idea, not the alleged "victim"'s. (There isn't exactly a victim shortage in this Case.) The alleged "victim" strongly disagrees with this legal action.

"Civil Actions don't go through criminal Courts."

The Case was dealt with (on the rare occasions it got anywhere near a Court) Chippenham Magistrates Court.

"You don't go to prison for Civil Torts."

I spent two months in an open prison in Portsmouth.

"Human Rights are respected and indeed championed in this Country."

"Nobody is Incarcerated without a Trial in Britain\England."

I was incarcerated without Trial at the open prison (Dickson House, Fareham). When I finally got a Court Hearing, which I insisted on, the Case was thrown out of Court and all Charges were annulled.

"There is no such thing as a friendly chat."

Urban75's site notes, in relation to arrests, that "there is no such thing as a friendly chat."
['Section at the bottom of the above link, just above this link.

The following relates to a conversation in a police car, following my arrest for the heinous crime of walking past my friend's (the lady in question) building in the High Street on my way to the Pub.

Noticing I was slightly drunk, the police assumed I would not remember the exact conversation in detail, and dropped their guard alittle.

The police mentioned that though they had attended the lady in question's building, they neither received any complaint from the lady in question herself, on the phone or in person, and they did not even meet nor make any attempt to meet her when they were in attendance.
Oops.

In cooperation with my Solicitor, the Defence (c'est moi, folks) brought this up at the next recorded police Interview along.

Oddly enough, and after a stand for my (and the lady in question's) Rights, and a break for freedom on arrival at CDHQ (Chippenham Divisional police Headquarters, sounds like a record shop CD-HQ/Seedy HQ) they let me go again, then another set stopped for a chat whilst I was busy trying to get drunk again. And they accuse me of Harassment?

... Is happening to Others

I am told by both members of the legal profession and fellow inmates, that hundreds of people a day/week ["hundreds" is vague anyway] fall, or rather, are pushed, by various constabularies, into this Bail system abuse loophole, apparently on a whim by the police. And that "This [Bail abuse] is routine procedure."

This is not the police's job. The police's job is to help maintain law and order, not to behave like tinpot national-socialist's.

This site takes a dark view of police activity, not, as might naturally be assumed by some innocent parties, that antisocial criminal behaviour might be endorsed or glamorised (which is it not), but because The police are generating more crime than they solve.

During the time of the Pro/Anti-Foxhunting and countryside liveihood protests in London, two middle-aged peaceful female protesters were in tears on the News: They said they just wanted to visibly be in London, have a picnic and a sing-song, but the police attacked them with batons, drawing blood. They concluded they would never look at the police the same way again.
The police appeared to be behaving like this in order to make the peaceful protestors look violent; an 'if they're holding them back with batons, they must be under attack' implication.

Specific Cases

The Cases in question are here by request.
(Yes, requests in Pubs.)

Quiet Nights Out

Someone I met, tells me the Wilts police picked him up during a night out in Chippenham, took him to CD-HQ (see above), and bunged him in a cell.

The police have various weapons which they claim to be for purely defensive deploy: Handcuffs, for restraint; CS Gas (illegal on the battlefield but handed out to the police like sweeties), for overpowering/distracting extremely violent people; and little retractable batons (the successor to the truncheon), purely for self-defence when there is absolutely no alternative.

These characters handcuffed his hands behind his back in the cell, temporarily blinded him with CS gas (after they had handcuffed him), then beat him unconscious with batons.

And they wonder why they have such bad PR.

The Black Community

We've all heard about victimisation of people with black skin by just about every police force going, including those in countries with a majority black population.

But we tend to unconsciously assume it is exaggerated. Perhaps partly because it doesn't happen to "us", partly because of "compassion fatigue".

Someone I know, whose identity I have not been asked to mask, I just can't remember his name, shares a car in his commute to work through Swindon. His colleague that he car-shares with has black skin, and every time, every time they drive back at night, the Wiltshire police stop them.

"Is this your car, Sir?"
"When did you steal it?"
"Do you have your passport on you?"
"Can you speak English?"

And so on, and so on. Every night.

Anti-racist
, anti-homophobic, and anti-disability entries will now be added to the Civil Liberties Search Directory as a matter of priority, and balance.

News Cutting:

From an Article in SchNEWS:

Why do the police hassle immigrant shopkeepers so much?

It is their job to protect businesses, not attack them.

It is difficult enough to move to a different country, learn a new language, raise Capital, set up a business, suffer racism/placism, without the attacks from the police.

Fast Food takeaways are packed on weekends and valuable to the economy. The police tackle some trouble in chipshops, but carry out frequent unncessary licensing checks on other types of takeaway. Why? Who do they think pays their operating costs?

Zero PR Syndrome

Widespread Public Opinon: "The police are ****ers.".

News from other people and Groups

The author of The Phoenix Report, detailing persecution in Swindon, has taken the authorities concerned to Court.

Motorway Blitz (Draft)

The local police are in bandit mode again, persecuting hapless motorists on the nearest road purpose-built for high speed.
They're fining anyone going between 79 and 85 mph.
M4protest.org are organising a day of action.

The nearest narrow dangerous road is next to their Chippenham HQ, where the only road users speeding are the police, but no enforcement action is taken, and even warnings are never displayed.

Patronising comments along the lines of "it's okay for us to catch burglars, but not when we enforce the law," are like saying if someone clean's a lot of windows, it's okay for them to help themselves to unattended handbags.

"Someone has to do the dirty work cleaning up the roads."
And who would that be? Certainly not the police, directing traffic, recording scenes, and taking the credit away from hard-working firefighters and ambulance crews. A Traffic Warden could do what the police do at accident scenes, and, infact, that would be a better use for them.

Speeding fines don't help road safety even if someone is going too fast: A fine a few weeks later won't slow somebody down now; what you need is a warning, and perhaps further action if that warning is ignored.

Concentrating on the easy detection methods rather than the effective ones.
Leaving out the groups of crime that are on the rise from their statistics.

The deployment of speedtraps has only risen after the Government let the police keep the money they took, but still they claim it's not the money they're after.
The police keep saying the public are annoyed because they're caught (insert patronising comments here), but they're annoyed the police are not doing their job!!

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